Check out Timo Rein's contribution to this podcast over here. Timo is Pipedrive's co-founder and CEO and former Sales magician

https://www.salesman.org/how-to-go-from-salesperson-to-entrepreneur-with-timo-rein/?fbclid=IwAR1Kq5NoLtl0UEHB_lbXaei8zwJn_erFOpjHeCxNM6KuOP_KX-Pi_96WTLw